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The Hayley Lloyd Show
The Hayley Lloyd Show is dedicated to your personal growth and development. Hosted by Hayley Lloyd, a spiritual mindset & business coach, this podcast aims to help you overcome self-doubt, rediscover your inner light and grow into your true purpose. We will be covering a range of topics and themes: advice and guidance on how to grow a spiritual practice, practical tips and tricks to help you to transform your mindset and vulnerable real-life stories of reflection and learning. This podcast aims to help guide you back to yourself so that you can live a life you love.
The Hayley Lloyd Show
Transitioning from corporate to a 7 figure online business (Interview by Kaitlyn Mazzarella)
What happens when you trade the stability of a corporate career for the unpredictable world of entrepreneurship?
Join us as Kaitlyn and I uncover the exhilarating and sometimes daunting path from boardrooms to business ownership.
Discover the art of building integrated authority fueled by passion. From my early days at a premier London agency to a pivotal role at Canva, I unravel the balance between outer and inner authority that defines authentic leadership and effective action. Caitlin and I discuss the anti-perfectionism mindset, the transformative power of feedback, and the critical importance of maintaining mental health for productivity and longevity.
These insights, drawn from real-world corporate scenarios, shed light on how to harness both corporate wisdom and entrepreneurial spirit for lasting success.
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She was like Hayley, I'm going to be really blunt with you. Right now. You are being a victim to a decision that you have made and as long as you are a victim to this decision, you will never feel like you have the power in this. But you've made this decision. You can leave. You can leave tomorrow if you want to, but you're deciding not to. So don't be a victim to that decision, because it's going to make you keep on burning out. Hello everyone, welcome to that decision, because it's going to make you keep on burning out. Hello everyone, welcome back to the podcast.
Speaker 1:I'm really excited to bring you guys this interview where I was actually interviewed on someone else's podcast. This is a current client of mine, caitlin, and she has been in the house since about January now. She is helping people to go from their corporate careers into their entrepreneurial ventures and we have just developed a really beautiful connection over the past few months. And she has recently set up her own podcast, which is so exciting. I will leave all of the information in the description below, but she actually invited me onto her podcast to talk all things leaving corporate and actually starting a career in a business outside of the corporate realm. This is a topic that both of us know a lot about, and this is a really great example of an interview where I was asked some really brilliant questions that I haven't been asked before. So I wanted to share it with you guys because I think it gives a really good insight into who I am and Caitlin's just a really brilliant interviewer and she really brings out the best in me. And just a small reminder that we are currently in the final countdown of you guys being able to join the house of authority. The doors are going to be shutting this monday, on the 30th of september, so if you have been on the fence, this is the time that you want to make a move. We have left the information about the house in the description below, so go and check it out, and all you need to do is click on the sales page, go go to the checkout, choose your payment plan, submit purchase and then you'll be sent the contract. When you sign that contract, you will then begin the onboarding into the program, so you could be starting as soon as next week and coming to the calls as soon as Wednesday.
Speaker 1:So I really hope that you guys enjoy this episode. Let's get into it Wednesday. So I really hope that you guys enjoy this episode. Let's get into it. Yay, I know. Yeah, we have come a full circle since it was January that you joined, I think, and so much is shifting, so much is changing and, yeah, it's just been like such a pleasure to work with you so far. It's been so awesome. So I'm so excited to dig into all of it today because, yeah, I think we have really interesting crossovers between what we both do and our journeys as well. I have a long history being in corporate myself before starting this business, so, yeah, I'm excited to unpack it all with you.
Speaker 2:Yes, we both have, and that was honestly something that I connected with you so much on was I really resonated with your content right off the bat after I found you, but your corporate experience the way that you spoke on your corporate experience just hit so many of the themes that I felt in my journey as well. So I'm excited to dig into that. But before that, I wanted to thank you for being on the show and I also wanted to thank you because this podcast would not exist yet had it not been for you. Do you remember encouraging me to just get started?
Speaker 1:I do, and you are the kind of personality that just you flourish when you are speaking and when people get to hear you. So I'm so excited that you have decided to go all in on it, because it's absolutely epic. People need to hear you.
Speaker 2:I love it and I just have too much to say more than fits into a 60 second Instagram clip so I just need to have a space to just let it all out 100 100 cool. So I talked a little bit about your list of roles right now, all the different hats you're wearing, but I'd love to hear a bit from you, so tell me about the passion that you're pursuing.
Speaker 1:It's been a long journey with the passion I'm pursuing, but the way that I see my entire business is like my art, so it's all passion for me and a lot of it came out of my own experiences in the corporate world. But at the moment I teach people how to build integrated authority, and that has two of my passions interwoven inside of it. Number one is copywriting and marketing. I have a very long corporate career in CEO organic marketing, working previously at Canva as creative producer and senior designer in the organic marketing team, really elevating their landing pages. But I was doing this way before that as well, and so I have a real passion for like words, for design, for creating things. So that really comes into building outer authority. But then the other real passion that I have is for building inner authority, and inner authority is essentially how you feel about yourself, it's a way of being, and that then affects things like your leadership, the way that you show up in the world, how you take action, the pursuits that you follow, and so I have a research team, which I'm actually doing, a few research elements for investigating inner authority and some of the models and the frameworks that I have come up with over the years and that's something that is a very passion project because it's something that my business makes. The money is very conversion focused and this is like the passion project that I do on the side where my business funds my art, and I think that's a really cool way for business owners to see their business as well, because sometimes business can be hard, there can be like ups and downs and stuff, but to have something on the side that you're like really passionate about as well, whether it's like a research project, whether it's doing art itself, but like having something that then your the income that you make from the business gets to fund something else, for me that's been a really expansive way of me being able to fulfill all of the passions that I have.
Speaker 1:So I love, like the business, the marketing, the copywriting, building this outer authority, gaining credibility, but then I also love to pair it with the inner authority side, which, when it comes to authority, you just you can't have authority if you don't have inner authority.
Speaker 1:If you don't have inner authority, you'll typically have either unconscious authority, borrowed authority or low authority, all of which will detract away from very authentic authority, where leadership then becomes a really big place. That's impacted and it's something that a lot of people. The ripple effect of this work is huge and I'm always thinking about like the ripple effect of everything that we're doing. So if you have an integrated authority style and you are coming from a very heart-led space, the ripple effects that you'll have is huge. You'll create other leaders that also have that integrated authority style, that feel empowered to pursue their passions, etc. Whereas if you have someone that's more unconscious, borrowed or low, then then we'll also have a ripple effect, not just in corporate, not not just in business, but also you have an authority level essentially even in parenthood, in friendships, in every single relationship dynamic that you have, because it's just like this energy. So I'm very fascinated by the different types of authority, how to build authority and all of the different elements that kind of come into that and helping people to build it themselves.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's incredible. And hearing about your journey, it sounds like where you started, you were doing copywriting. It sounds like your corporate journey is serving you really well right now because that has helped you to build your outer authority. And then you took it layers deeper, where you're saying how do I get the confidence in myself, how do I establish this just inner knowing in myself? So I want to hear about when did the inner authority come up? But I wanted to start by just zooming all the way back. What was your first job? What was your mindset when you were going from university to your first job? And, yeah, tell me how that started.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I was at university for graphic communication and marketing essentially, and I was doing that for four years. I won awards for my work out of 300 students is enterprise innovation award that I won and from that basically got a job straight away in London in a leading agency at the time and from that I was working for a lot of pitches. So we were doing specifically digital design work and marketing. So we would work on very small projects for lots of different companies and we would basically pitch our services and so that would be anywhere from a two-week project to a four-month project, depending on how far away the pitch was. And it was a classic designer if anyone has been a designer where whenever a pitch was on, you would be working all hours at the office, people would be sleeping over at the office to get the stuff done and then when it was finished, you'd have a two-week period where you weren't doing anything at all. And that role the first role that I had was very geared towards helping me build two things first of all, like a very strong eye for design and marketing and like how to market something for pitch to get buy-in from stakeholders, because it would be like when you're pitching essentially for the funding, you're pitching to gain the work. So it's like we had to market everything that we were creating. But it also really built this anti-perfectionism mindset that I have, because designers that are and marketers they typically will come into this online space with a perfectionist mindset and what I really learned in that is like you can't have that as a designer that's moving very quickly. You can't have the perfectionist mindset like there's certain elements of it but we move so quickly that it just wasn't possible and that's been reinforced. And it also really taught me the value of feedback as a designer, because obviously, as a designer, everything's very personal and so getting feedback initially was very triggering for me, and I learned in that role that you need feedback to make the best outcome. If you have feedback, it betters the outcome. Then you get a better piece of work for your portfolio, which I really loved.
Speaker 1:I then moved on to different companies. I worked with the top gear guys if you know them, like Jeremy Clarkson, richard Hammond, james May. I worked with them on Drive Tribe when it was just starting, and so I was there in the first year and that was a really huge project as well and then started up my own design agency in the UK and I was working with very small boutique startups, basically creating their brand, their marketing, their websites, and then they go to market or elevation plans for them for like socials and SEO. And then I actually tried to start my first coaching business, which was a colossal flop, because I wanted to come online and teach people how to market themselves which is essentially what I do now and how to design. But I did all of the classic things wrong, which is people tell you you need to get the this is the perfectionist mindset you need to get the website done, you need to get the photographer and the photography, you need to have the perfect free resources. You need to have your program perfectly mapped out. So I did all of that and then, when I launched, because I hadn't built an audience and I hadn't created any conversion content, I created like a couple of logistical posts, but there was no one there that had been nurtured, so I hadn't actually been doing the marketing myself and that actually took a huge toll on my mental health.
Speaker 1:This is the inner authority part. My inner authority was so low at that point because I was heavily drinking. I had incredibly high levels of anxiety. So this is when I was like in my alcoholic stages. I've now been sober for coming up to five years, but that was a period where my mental health, I was high, functioning, very successful, just completely a mess in the inside. And so when that did happen, I took it as a personal reflection on I have been rejected, I am a failure. Everyone hates me. No one wants to work with me. It's personal. When it wasn't, it was just literally that I hadn't done any marketing. So after that I decided I took such a knock that I was like I actually don't want to own a business at all.
Speaker 1:So I shut down both of my businesses and then decided to go back into contract work, did some other contract work and then eventually decided, okay, I'm gonna move to Australia because my drinking had got so bad in the UK. I don't know whether anyone's ever lived in London, but London is a little bit of a rat race and you know the weather's crap like everyone's pretty miserable. The only thing that you can do is drink and I was just like stuck in this cycle of just drinking, boozing, doing drugs, like, and I just couldn't escape, and I was. I don't want to be here anymore. It's affecting my mental health. I don't even know who I am anymore.
Speaker 1:So, long story short, I decided to move to Australia and, just as the stars aligned, I remember saying if I was ever going to go back to a full time job, the only place that I would work would be Canva. And this other company called, and, as the stars aligned, there was one role open for a digital designer at Canva, and so I ended up applying for that. Whilst I was, I'd already given in my. I didn't have to give in a notice, but I'd already given in the notice for my flat, and so I literally had three months to move. And my parents are like what? And I'll say, yeah, I'm moving home for two months and I'm just gonna wing it and hopefully I'll find a job. I just had this like unwavering self-trust in myself that I would just be able to get something. And, the magic of the universe, it very much delivered in that sense. And, yeah, I applied for the position and we had our first interview when I was in the UK and then I flew over.
Speaker 1:But I knew that the start of the role wouldn't be for like. I think it was like six to eight weeks or something after I got there. So there was going to be a hole where I didn't have any money and I was like, ok, what am I going to do here? Because I was also in debt, like a lot of debt, because I also had terrible spending habits. So I was probably about £15,000 in debts, which is about thirty thousand Aussie dollars, maybe 20 ish k USD, and I was just like I couldn't find a way out of it. I was just like looping, even though I was being paid quite a lot for contract work. I just had terrible spending habits. So I was like I need to find a way to pay rent.
Speaker 1:And so I manifested when I got on the plane. I was like universe, if this is meant to be, find me a contract job when I land in Dubai, so that then I know that by the time I land in Australia, I've got something. So I landed in Dubai, I opened up my phone and there was a email from a contractor and he was just like we have one spot available at this company. It's a contract role and it's literally for this period, and it was like the exact amount of time that I would have needed between roles and I was like whoa, whoa, okay. Anyway, I arrived there, landed, touched down in Australia, then got straight on a bus and went straight to my in-person interview at Canva, interviewed for the role and then got offered the position like a week later or something. And yeah, the stars just really aligned in getting me there.
Speaker 1:So I then ended up at that company for about four years and the company grew so much. Like when I first joined there was about 100 of us. So it was still very startable. Everyone knew everyone. Like you'd go downstairs to the cafeteria. You knew every single person by name. If you've ever watched any of those documentaries or not documentaries, but like series about Facebook or any of Spotify and stuff where it's like this almost culty beginning or any Spotify and stuff where it's like this almost culty beginning that's what it was like. Everyone knew everyone. But it was amazing. It was so much fun. It was like being at uni again. That's what it was like. But then the company started growing so rapidly so we moved offices and everything. So by the time I left four years later there was 2,000 people. It had grown exponentially. So you'd go down to the cafeteria. You wouldn't know anyone. It had grown exponentially. So you go down to the cafeteria. You wouldn't know anyone.
Speaker 1:But in that time, because I'd been there for so long, we consistently were given opportunities to basically step up, step up. It's the next role, step up into coaching, step up into leadership. So I just kept on getting promoted. They actually got me interested in coaching in the first place because they knew at one stage I was struggling with my mental health. They put me on a coaching journey and that just changed everything for me. I was like whoa, I've learned more about myself in one session of coaching than I have in three years of therapy, and so I decided to do a life coaching diploma with them, with their support and everything, and that really affected the position that I was in there as well.
Speaker 1:So I started doing coaching within the Canva, doing the coaching seminars and training procedures that they had there, and then eventually was given the position of. We formed a new team, which was the SEO team, and it was me and about six other people that basically led that team. So we set it all up and, because of all of the experience I'd had, we led it with a mental health initiative and it was really fascinating seeing the difference between teams and the teams that were led with a mental health initiative, how much it affected employee output and the longevity of people being able to sustain roles, whereas if it wasn't led with a mental health initiative and more unconscious authority, if it wasn't led with a mental health initiative and more unconscious authority, it actually meant the lifespan of an employee would sometimes drop or people would be signed off for burnout more frequently. As a startup, we're moving so fast and so there's so much to do, so in those natures you're working a lot there. But I ended up being the creative producer and the senior designer for the organic marketing team, which is the main source of Canva's organic traffic. So when I started at the company, they had a valuation of a billion.
Speaker 1:By the time I left, it was over 26 billion, so that's times 26. And a huge portion of that was their organic marketing strategy. So there was a lot of just information that I learned in there, because it's not just Canva. It's like the small subsets of Canva where we're looking at different locales, different countries, different user segments as well. So, like nonprofits versus entrepreneurs are going to be using that product in different ways, and so we had to market the landing pages in very specific ways to tailor for each of the countries and the locales, and they were just power. We structured, restructured the entire organic marketing system because the Google algorithm changed whilst I was there. But it was just fascinating to be a part of those projects and so it just gave me like a really good basis to go off and about halfway through my career there I decided to set up this other line of coaching, which was today.
Speaker 1:But initially I just came on as a self-doubt coach because I was like I just want to help people with self-doubt and manage anxiety. I did presentations for Canva and everything on self-doubt anxiety and when I did that, I sold out my private coaching really quickly. And then I launched a group program and I sold that out really quickly and I getting all these messages like how are you doing this so fast? There are people that have been doing this for so long. How are you doing this? Within the span of a year and I'll say literally because I have all of this marketing experience. So I'm just taking what I know and I'm just applying it to a non-tangible ROI business and it works.
Speaker 1:And the reason that a lot of people circle this is because they don't have that experience. I would bring eight years of experience into something. I'd already tried to start a coaching business once before, so I had all of those lessons as well, and it was just literally a time for me to apply all of the things that I had learned over the remaining time of being in corporate, and it led to a very fast growth. So we had our first seven figure year about three and a half years into this business being live, which is a huge feat, but that literally comes down to the fact that I had all of that experience backing me.
Speaker 1:So it means that whenever I launch whether it's a mindset related program, something that's inner authority related or something that is more tangible like content, I know that it's going to sell out, because I just know how to use my words, and that's really what I want to give people that are especially in that non tangible spaces. There are so many people like yourself that have so much to give, have so much value, have so much expertise, have long corporate careers, whatever it is, but they just don't know how to formulate or articulate the value of what they do. You need to learn a skill, and that's literally all I did in the eight years that I was in corporate I learned skills that are now applicable to business. So that's led me to where I am today. That was a long story, but I hope that answered your question.
Speaker 2:I love it and all of the themes. So some of the themes I found really interesting anti-perfectionism I have never heard that phrase used before, but that is something that I've been honing in on because, as a new business owner, everything I want to do, I want it to be perfect, but it hinders you, it slows you down. And it's interesting because you were talking about how early in your journey, you were very focused on anti-perfectionism. As a designer, you just had to go, go, go. There wasn't time to make everything perfect. But then, when you started your first coaching business, it sounds like you fell back into this cycle of perfectionism. So I'm curious what do you think happened there? Was it because it was now something that you were creating under your own name? I'm curious, what was going on there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly that. And really good question, because I think it's very easy to do something for a company that has nothing to do with you. Most people can, after a period of time, create a degree of separation between themselves and the work that they're doing in corporate. Even as a designer, you're like you get to a stage where you're just like, oh, fuck it, the client's always right. Client's like, oh, just make it pop. And you're like, oh, ok, make it pop, whatever. Like don't even it, it's not personal, it's on the company. If anything, if you don't want to pitch, it's not personal. And so there's that degree of separation. So I found it very easy, once I integrated that lesson in that environment, to be able to separate myself from perfectionism, because that role required me to work in an. Able to separate myself from perfectionism because that role required me to work in an. We call it MVP, which is minimum viable product. So you needed to go MVP, then do the next, then do the next. It's like you work in phases.
Speaker 1:As soon as it became about me, I, at my heart, was a perfectionist, and so I had grown up in a family that really prioritized how we looked. My mum loved her to pieces, but would always be talking about my under eye bags, her own under eye bags, makeup and trying to be perfect. I struggled to even leave the house without makeup on because I would like literally have a panic attack, and so that was just my physical appearance. But I also learned that over the years, if I wanted to gain like affection or love from my father, for example, then I needed to achieve something and I needed it to be perfect. And so when I was young, I was an international rowing champion for rowing. When I was growing up, we were training like times a week. I was very young and it was amazing. I loved it. It taught me a huge amount, but it did. When I won something, that's when my father would just be so proud that it would just, I don't know. It gave me something and I craved that feeling. And other times, when I won awards for my work, which at university, it was about perfection get the most perfect final major project, and that's how I won awards. I got a huge amount of love and approval awards. I got a huge amount of love and approval. And so I had this belief that in order for me to get approval, not just from my parents, but from everyone. I need this to be perfect. I need to show up with the best it can possibly be, and if it's not that, then I'm going to fail.
Speaker 1:In my mind, I was doing the right thing and I was utilizing that belief to create something that people would love, and I see people do this a lot. When they create their first program, they're like I just want it to be amazing, I want it to be as good as it can possibly be. But the problem is with that is it's an informed guess. Even if you've done market research, you can just never know, until you're running the program, what people are going to do and how they're going to interact with the program. And that's a really important part of it. Which is why the MVP works so much for building a business is because you have to give yourself space to experiment. But if you're trying to go for perfect which is what I was doing, because that's what I thought I needed to do you don't leave any room for that. It's just this is the final product. People either like it or they, and that's what happened that time round.
Speaker 1:And again, this is down to that low inner authority, because I did have a lot of sabotaging beliefs, sabotaging behaviors. I could get stuff done, but I just was. I had such low self-worth I didn't believe in myself, despite being successful. I really see these as two separate things. It was like my corporate career and who I was. They were just like almost two different personalities where I could turn it on in this environment. But then, when it was myself, it's like everything came crumbling down and all of my experience wasn't worth anything, and so it meant that some of those deeper fears fear of being rejected I still had a huge fear and I had this association of if I'm more perfect, I won't be rejected, I won't be judged, people will approve of me, not true, not true, but that was the belief that formed there. So, yeah, it was very situational.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I hear that and you're talking about this separation of your corporate Haley and real Haley and I see that in the example of when you first started with the design, you were playing by your corporate rules of okay, I don't need to be a perfectionist. But then when you started this business, that was you like, it was a different person. You were playing by this different set of rules. You were showing up so differently.
Speaker 1:Yeah, 100%, and it's probably one of the things that I see the most happen. Some people that have literally masters, phds, have had 10-year corporate careers. Suddenly they come into the online space, they build a business and all of that means nothing and they're just like I'm starting again and you're not. You just have to bring. It's a completely different dynamic, especially if you have a personal brand, because they call business the biggest personal growth journey that you'll ever go on, and the reason for that is that everything, every single wound you have, will be triggered, because usually, if you're in corporate, you've been doing it from behind a screen. You have created this kind of like safety net where you don't receive judgment, you're not failing publicly. Suddenly, you create something in your mind which is based off your experience and you're putting that on social media for the world to basically judge. And, although that's not necessarily what's happening, people are just deciding if they want to buy. That's what it feels like. It feels like whoa I'm, I put all of my what I've tried so hard, I'm putting all of my hard work onto this and this is where expectations come in. I expect that then people will buy this because of blah, blah, blah, and expectations are the biggest killer of businesses. Because it's ironic, you need to have a business mindset and a mind, an artist mindset when you do this, because it's like you need the artist mindset of like I'm doing this because I love it, but you need the business mindset of like experimentation. So it's like a little bit of both, but, yeah, it's definitely a journey to get to where you are and just really have what it is that you're talking business mindset of, like experimentation. So it's like a little bit of both, but, yeah, it's definitely a journey to get to where you are and just really have what it is that you're talking about and feeling like you back yourself, because it is such like a different experience when you come online and you have to heal all of those aspects and that's all in our authority. The the biggest reason that entrepreneurs fail and I say this with so much love most fail in the first one to two years, not because of the business and the strategy, but because of the amount of resilience that being a business owner requires. And that is all inner authority. You are going to get rejected. You're going to. You are going to be judged. People are going to do it. I've got so many stories that I can tell you of people judging me until I got to a certain level of success and then suddenly they want to work with me. But also the level of responsibility, pressure, money, shit comes up. There's so many aspects that affect you internally and I have conversations with even people that are like seven figure CEOs, myself included.
Speaker 1:Just being like. Some days this feels like a lot like and you have this realization one day that like it doesn't really get easier. It just you get used to a certain level of discomfort and it's different discomfort and you know, in the book big magic with elizabeth gilbert, she talks about this story and this conversation that she had with someone where he was saying you need to choose your flavor of shit sandwich. Whatever it is, there is always going to be a shit element to it. So the shit element of me being a designer in corporate was I needed to work for someone else. I needed to come into work when I didn't want to come into work and I felt really tired and I I'm a night owl sometimes and I want to change my work hours and I want to work in the weekends, but I can't do that. You don't have the freedom, but also there was so much parts like I hated the organization, like I hated being a designer is like 20 design and like 80 organization project management's, like it's so much other things. So that's the shit sandwich there.
Speaker 1:The shit sandwich of being an entrepreneur is you get to do what you love, but you may have money issues come up, you may have client issues come up. You may suddenly feel like, oh my God, this is a lot for me to hold, especially if you're a lot of people that I work with become like the financial breadwinners. You're the breadwinner of the family and you suddenly got the responsibility of the mortgage, looking after the family, and one month you feel really shit and you're like I actually just want to do nothing. But then you've got to show up like it's a pressure and it's a responsibility. That requires a certain amount of resilience to be able to hold and keep on moving despite feeling like that. And most people when they feel that discomfort, it's not a discomfort that they've experienced before, so they feel like they can't handle it, and so it often feels better to go back into corporate job and deal with the shit sandwich or the discomfort that they know already and they can deal with. So that's typically like what happens with people.
Speaker 2:I've gone off on a tangent there, but I'm sure it's helpful in some way it is, and this is a lot of what I was curious about too, because I your path is corporate to entrepreneurship. My path has also been corporate to entrepreneurship, and a lot of this stuff is what my clients are wanting to hear about too. We were talking about this a little bit, but right now, some of the clients that I work with are wanting to go into entrepreneurship. They're really truly wanting to pursue their passions. The other half, they want to do something that they like more than they like now, but in a corporate environment, in something safe.
Speaker 2:So I'm curious about your shift from corporate to entrepreneurship. You're talking about this discomfort that is basically always there, doesn't go away. It just looks different, feels different, and maybe your stress was a lot higher back in the day corporate days but you had that safety of the steady finances coming every two weeks. You know exactly how much it's going to be exactly when. But transitioning onto your entrepreneurship journey, what did you do to be able to hold all of the discomfort that was coming?
Speaker 1:up. The first piece of advice that's going to be very unpopular advice for a lot of people is please, please, do not leave a full-time or a part-time job too soon. There is nothing that kills a dream or an entrepreneurial dream more than scarcity. And when people leave a job too soon, they become riddled with my business needs to make money. Otherwise I can't survive, and that's not irrational. There's no way that you can mindset, work your way out of that fear, because it's true, if you don't pay your rent, where do you go? What do you do? And so that's not irrational. And a lot of people are like how can I feel more abundant If you're living in scarcity? You cannot be abundant, and I say that with so much love.
Speaker 1:So the thing that really allowed me to set myself up for success is I stayed alongside a full-time job for two and a half years, and so I built this for two and a half years, learning all the skills, investing every single cent that I made in my business back into the business to grow it. I received nothing for two and a half years and I was just okay with that. I didn't ask the business to pay for me or to provide for me I was. This is my art project, this is my passion, this is something that I see long-term working. So I'm going to give myself the security to do what I need to do, to learn what I need to learn, without me having to dip into scarcity and ask my business to provide for me when it's not able to provide for me yet. And, honestly, a book that I recommend that everyone reads is this big magic book by Elizabeth Gilbert, because she has a avenue in there where she's talking about art, but in the premise of business, it's the same thing, whereas she's saying as soon as you ask your art to pay for you, when it's not ready to pay for you, it's going to kill the love of the art, and that's what so many people do, and I just I wish that I could have a conversation with everyone and just say, please I know it's a lot, I know that it's difficult to do two things and and I'll talk about how I manage those two things in a moment, because it is it's a mindset shift that needs to happen, but you will be able to consistently build a business that actually lasts if you give yourself the security to do it, if you try to make it provide for you too soon.
Speaker 1:Burnout happens, frustration happens, and then you start to believe I'm not a business owner. I can't do this when you can, you're just dealing with a human need of scarcity when the business isn't ready to provide yet. It needs you to reinvest in the business, it needs you to learn skills, it needs you to reinvest every single cent back into the business until it's actually making a good amount of money. So the time that I left Canva, I had my first $90,000 USD month and $130,000 sales, so it was $90,000 cash. So immediately I had a buffer and I just didn't dip below that place afterwards. So I waited basically until my business was secure enough to be able to provide for me and I felt safe, if I couldn't work for three months, that my business would still be able to pay my rent, pay my mortgage, whatever it was, and that took a while. And so that's probably the first thing is that's how I was able to first of all navigate those difficult periods, because I wasn't putting that pressure on myself. It didn't matter if I didn't make a sale, it just didn't matter. I could just be like all good.
Speaker 1:I can then deal with the underlying things of the inner authority of oh, I feel rejected, oh, I feel judged which is much easier and necessary for you to deal with than trying to mindset out of I don't have money, because that's just fact and you, you just can't mindset your way out of that. So having that space then allowed me to really go very deep into healing, and so this is where the inner authority stuff comes from. So I teach a lot of somatic work and basically removing triggers and anxiety from your body. As someone that was chronically anxious, I went from having panic attacks in the toilet every single day, chronically anxious, completely overthinking mind to now today having no anxiety, and the reason for that is I healed all of the root causes of my anxiety and the things that would come up for me again and again. Because I had the space to do that. I again wasn't trying to battle with something that I couldn't control. I was dealing. Dealing with oh, I posted this story and no one's replied to it. I feel judged.
Speaker 1:Or when you go into a launch the first time, which is always going to bring up stuff because it's something you've never done, I wasn't dealing with oh, my God, I'm not making money, I can't survive. I was dealing with. I feel rejected, I feel like I'm not good enough. I'm dealing with realizing oh wow, I've built my business on a need to prove, to get my dad's approval, which is why I had like mindset spins the first time I ever did a launch, instead of being like, oh, I need this to make money. It just didn't matter. And so that just gave me so much freedom to be able to just build the skills, do this at my own pace.
Speaker 1:Yes, it was a lot of work. I absolutely was. I'm not even going to lie about it. I yes, it was a lot of work. It absolutely was, I'm not even going to lie about it. I would literally get up at 5 am, I would work until 7.30 or 8 am, I would go to work. I would work in lunchtime, I'd come back from work and I'd work into the evening. I would work weekends. I was working all the time and I would go through cycles of burnout because I am a generator in human design I don't know whether I know anyone, anyone knows what that is, but basically a generator or manifesting generator if we are doing something that we don't want to do will burn out and because I had made the decision. So this was my decision to stay in a full-time job.
Speaker 1:But I sometimes would creep into victim around that and I'd be like, oh my god, I have to stay in this job. And I just remember receiving this coaching once from this incredible coach her name's Vicky, and we were talking about and I was just like in my victim and I was just like I have to do it, like I have to pay rent and it's so hard and it's so this and it's moaning, moaning. And she was like what are the good things? I couldn't find any good things. And she was like Hayley, I'm going to be really blunt with you. Right now. You are being a victim to a decision that you have made and as long as you are a victim to this decision, you will never feel like you have the power in this. But you've made this decision. You can leave. You can leave tomorrow if you want to, but you're deciding not to. So don't be a victim to that decision, because it's going to make you keep on burning out. I get chills as I say that, because it was so potent and I was just like, oh my god, she's so right. This is why I'm burning out because I'm feeling like I have to flip the mindset from one day to the next. I've now got the energy again. Okay, I've decided to be here. I'm just going to organize my time better.
Speaker 1:I have ADHD as well. So, like for anyone that's saying, like ADHD, which someone organized, there are ways that you can manage that. For sure, and mine, mine was bad, really bad, but there's just things that I've done to manage that and be able to be very clear on what I'm doing. Like I hated planning. I used to be terrible at it and I became good at it. So this is the thing. Like ADHD isn't like a blanket statement, like that means I can never do these things. No, it just means you have to work harder to build the skills that other people have more easily. And ADHD is like a massive superpower, it's like a Ferrari brain, like it's so many entrepreneurs have ADHD because we rebel against everything that's like normal and from having people tell us what to do and stuff. But you need to come, overcome all of those things. Yeah, again tangent, but hopefully that answered your question.
Speaker 2:I love it. I love it and okay, what are the most powerful things that you've said? That I've experienced? Being a victim to your own decision? I can't tell you how many people I've talked to in passing at happy hour networking that will complain about their job, will complain about their situation nonstop but don't realize they can do something about it.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I understand how you can be so blind to it, because I was this way for years. I was in this corporate job. I never liked it. The first year I wanted to quit I actually turned in my two weeks notice within the first year at my corporate job because I was so miserable. I was probably three months in and I took my two weeks notice back because I got so much pressure from my parents. They were like what are you doing? So I learned this is not safe, I have to be here.
Speaker 2:And so that whole 10 years I just thought that I was a victim. I was like I have to stay here, I have to figure out how to make this work. And then COVID hit and I had a lot more time to just sit with myself and my decisions and I realized I'm in a relationship I don't want to be in, I'm living in a city I don't want to be in, I'm in a job I don't want to be in and I had been the victim of all of those things. And one day I realized I don't have to be, and that was powerful.
Speaker 2:And it sounds like that happened for you too.
Speaker 1:And, honestly, so much of the world is in that place of victimhood and it's difficult when I often say the hardest place to build a business is from victim and because you're not going to be open to coaching either. A lot of the time people that are in victim are the least open to feedback because they have a reason for nothing being able to work and in business you need to be open to feedback. You need to always find a solution because business is experimenting and you've got to have the resilience to be like that didn't work, let's try something else. That didn't work, let's try something else Not. Oh my God, everyone hates me.
Speaker 1:I've done this, I'm trapped doing this, I can't blah, blah, blah and exactly as you're talking about, like being trapped in a job, and this is where your inner authority will vary from situation to situation. It's not just a blanket layer of inner authority. It's like in relationships, you have an inner authority level. You may be in victim in relationships. You may be in victim in your corporate role. You may be in victim in lots of different areas. So it may not be that you're a victim everywhere, but it may be different dynamics, and I think that's the thing is, like so many people don't even realize, because it's so comforting to actually subconsciously stay where they are now, because there's an association with whether it's pain, whether it's suffering. They get something from being in this place.
Speaker 1:I get a sympathy, I get attention and one of my things was like I get to if I'm really busy. I and I used to have this victimhood about being really busy and if I'm really busy, then actually I don't have to do social things. I didn't realize at the time, but it was like when I stopped drinking I was just like, oh, I'm just so busy all the time and it was this real victimhood around that. But it was actually that I was trying to avoid doing something else and actually what I just needed to get better at was establishing boundaries and being like I don't want to go out tonight. But I had created an association with it. And that's typically what happens with victimhood is, people have created this association between if I stay here, then I don't have to do this thing or I get this thing, and so they protect it at all costs. There's not a way for them out of it, because subconsciously it's not safe for them not to have that victimhood or to have that belief not be there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, and I mean that's a huge lesson and it sounds like even when you were kind of on your healing journey, on your business journey, there's still so many layers for you to just keep uncovering of all these unconscious behaviors. So I'm curious With uncovering all of this, what kind of support system did you have and how did that play a role in your growth?
Speaker 1:Yeah, great question. I've tried so many different things. Before I was at Canberra I tried three years of therapy because I was very socially anxious. So I tried therapy. I've just never. Really it's not forward moving enough for me. Therapy and I used to have PTSD as well. For some experiences that I've had it just never helped, it just never moved me forward. It just had me sitting in something and I just I never found my person with therapy.
Speaker 1:So my first instance of support was at Canva. They had brilliant internal coaches and the way that Canva set up is just incredible, like you have such incredible support there. And so the first instance I had was a coaching journey there which was really supportive, illuminated so much for me around the way that I was working. But then, you know, I did a year long coaching diploma with Coach U and part of that is like you need to be coached every week and you need to coach every week for a year. So that was the first instance of support and starting to do coaching.
Speaker 1:And then, when I really got into building the business, I first of all hired a mindset a money mindset coach, specifically because I remembered going for my first launch and wanting to create a 10K month and I remember having on my vision board and everything and I just started feeling more and more anxious every single time that I looked at the vision board and I would start on my vision board and everything. And I just started feeling more and more anxious every single time that I looked at the vision board and I would start pushing off the launch and creating loads of excuses and in the end I ended up putting my vision board under my desk because I couldn't even look at the number and I was like something's going on here. So I put the intention out to the universe and I was like universe, please connect me with a teacher or a mentor that's meant to help me with with all of this. And lo and behold, the next day I stumbled across this beautiful money mindset coach and we worked together for I think it was like three months or so and we just did a lot of inner child work and that was my first experience of like really going very deep into the body, specifically as someone that has anxiety, like things just like meditation, talk, therapy just doesn't work for me, because so much and this is just science, really but so much of anxiety lives in the body, in the nervous system. It doesn't actually live in the mind, so like you can talk it out. But if you have a trigger that's very active in the body, it's never going to move by you just talking it out. You need to complete the fight or flight response and actually move it out of the body, to complete the trigger and get rid of it.
Speaker 1:So then after that, I was doing quite a lot by myself. I learned eft, I learned hypnotherapy, and so I was doing a lot of self-practices as I was learning those modalities. And then I hired a womb coach and this was actually a real pivotal moment and it was actually about six months before I left my full-time job and it triggered because basically I joined this big mastermind with a very well-known coach and there was an element of mindset coaching that was in there and I realized that whenever I got to those calls, as soon as my name was called upon, I would burst out crying. Not, it wasn't even like I was crying about anything, like I would just fall apart. And this coach she was just like Hayley. I really think that you need to go deeper into this. It's not normal to come into a space like this. You clearly feel this space is safe enough for you to release, but it's not normal for you to just cry when someone calls your name. It sounds like you've got something bubbled up.
Speaker 1:And I put it off for a couple of months and then I had a very difficult trip back to the UK. So it had been COVID. I hadn't gone back to see my family in three years or so and in that period I'd also stopped drinking, so it had changed all of our relationships. And also in the month before I went I was re-traumatized with a PTSD trauma that came up around a specific situation, and so I had a lot of those PTSD symptoms resurface and so it was like going back with an open wound and my parents we didn't cope well with it. It was just the wrong time for me to be going back, and we all needed to do quite a lot of growing up to create a different relationship where I wasn't drinking, where I was healing and I was a little bit more sensitive at the time.
Speaker 1:And it was a very difficult trip back. And when I got back to Australia from there, I reached out to this coach and I was just like I can't keep on doing this because my mental health is so bad right now and ironically, I ended up having a really huge month after hiring her. But I can't keep on doing this because my mental health is just crushing me and everything's triggering me Like I'm so angry, I'm so sad, I feel so unstable. I'm thinking about going back on anxiety medication and no shade to anxiety medication. It's really supported me through a lot, like I've been on beta blockers. I've been on so many different types of anxiety medication, but I was like I want to be able to heal this. Naturally Trigger warning there.
Speaker 1:But some of the trauma that I've experienced has been sexual assault. It is something that everything lives in the womb, and so I was like I think I was having debilitating periods at the time, like my periods were so painful they would go on for two weeks and I would just be literally in bed for two days, not being able to walk because I was in such crushing pain. I started getting all of these skin conditions. I started getting rosacea. Anger basically rises and can create like acne. I had under skin acne, I had rosacea. I had all of these issues painful periods, just so many physical things that were coming out, and I think the reason this came out at this time was because I'd stopped drinking so I finally had space to deal with it. Your body doesn't give you what you can't handle, so, although it was very difficult, I was clearly ready to handle it.
Speaker 1:So, with this womb healers help, we worked together for about a year and we did a lot of deep work for me to first of all feel safe in feeling anger and experiencing difficult emotions, because before that, I grew up in a very angry family that had a lot of anger, but they also shamed anger, so we weren't allowed to be angry. So what it meant was we were naturally angry, but with no safe way to express that anger, and so we suppressed it, and so it meant that I felt a lot of shame about being angry. So, honestly, the first three months was just like me, feeling safe enough to feel anything, for me to express emotions, for me to feel anger, to have a sacred rage practice away from everyone else. And I remember being like self-conscious that my stuffed animals were going to see me or something, because you know, I still have all my children like stuffed animals and I was like, oh my God, what are they going to think of me. It was so irrational irrational but that's how much I judged myself for expressing, which is just normal, like we're meant to it.
Speaker 1:It's called sacred rage for a reason and so that took a while and then eventually broke through that and then we did a lot of like deep healing work, somatic work, movement, work in the body there, and then I ended up doing a shamanic practitioner training and that was essentially. We went for two weeks and we lived in the woods for two weeks and it was away from everything you weren't allowed phones and it was a very full-on experience. And the shamanic practitioner way, as I said, it's very somatic. You're working with spirit and so you connect with your spirit guide and then you facilitate healing through the body and removing blocks from the body, whether that's from past life, current life, entity attachments a load of this stuff, and a big part of that was we were in these huge rooms. You know 20 of us or so people that you don't know and you're in this big circle and one of the things that we have to do is learn to get comfortable with expression as they create this big circle of people and it represents different ages and you basically go round and it's oh my god. It makes me even emotional to think about now, because it was such an intense exercise where you basically go in and you have to scream for that age and like you have to release for that age. So imagine like a circle of 20 people and there was a theme which I won't go into, but there is usually a theme for all of these, apparently, and we had one specific theme where a lot of us had the same trauma and some of these people were like double my age, I think. The oldest person was like 70, and some of the screams that you would hear were like they haven't ever released that scream, and so it was like hearing it for the first time and then also for me screaming things out for the first time, just being so in that motion and feeling the permission to fully just let it out and express it, and people are sobbing, screaming, crying, and it's just filled with this raw emotion and that was basically the entire 10 days is just expressing and going deep into the body.
Speaker 1:I had a two and a half hour personal session because this is an interesting story, but when I first arrived, about two days in, we were doing this past life work and I was paired up with someone and we quite quickly moved through a block and we then closed everything down and I went into my room and suddenly I was like my stomach became like a rock. It was completely solid and it was agony. Like I was keeled over in my bed. I couldn't. I was literally like sandwiched. The only comfortable place was for me to basically be sandwiched and I was just keeled over and I was literally sandwiched. The only comfortable place was for me to basically be sandwiched and I was just keeled over and I was crying and I was just, oh my God, something's wrong. I'm going to have to go to the hospital. I must have like appendicitis or something. But it was rock hard. I couldn't touch it and I heard the two facilitators because they were right opposite me and I hobbled over and I was just like this is appendicitis.
Speaker 1:She was like weird stuff happens when you're here where your body will tell you something that needs to shed. People here are getting rashes, things are coming out in their skin. It's like purging stuff. I think you just need a session. It was nine o'clock at night and she was like let's just do this together and we ended up having a two and a half hour session.
Speaker 1:Where it was. I can't even explain it. It was the most disgusting because I basically gave birth to shame and it was my full body was like just removing this feeling and I I literally remember the exact moment that feeling in my stomach just left and it was like after it just popped out and then it was gone and it just breathing through my body, I was like, oh my god, it feels like it's literally gone. And that was after like two and a half and I remember the exact moment. It was so clear and it was like it literally just got squeezed out like a rock. And after that there was some integration things that we had to do.
Speaker 1:I was a changed person after that, not only because I had given myself full permission just to be in the fullness of the human experience, because so much of us, especially as a Brit, we're told to be small, constrict yourself, don't be too loud, don't be too this, don't show emotions, stiff upper lip, blah, blah, blah, and it's you just suppress everything. So to have a place where you can just express and to learn that that's okay, it's the most healing thing in the world and it just neutralizes everything. And then, yeah, it's the most healing thing in the world and it just neutralizes everything. And then, yeah, from that point, I've done a lot of self-coaching, I work with kinesiologists, I'm actually doing a breathwork facilitation very shortly, and I now teach a lot of these somatic works that have been so transformational, because it has been this work that has removed anxiety from my body wow, thank you for sharing all of this.
Speaker 2:By the way, I mean, these stories are incredible and I'm sure it's not always easy to bring this up. I can sense the emotions coming up when you talk about this. You were giving me chills talking about some of this. Oh, I just want to take a minute to feel that, yeah, yeah, that's incredible, and it sounds like you've had this amazing array of support. Right, it wasn't one coach, it wasn't one coach, it wasn't one group program. It was the womb healer, it was the shamanic practitioner training, it was this retreat, it was all of these things. How are you calling in all of these healers? How did you find all of these people in these modalities that were meant to help you? So?
Speaker 1:when I quit drinking, I quite quickly found spirituality because I was a very aware child. I used to have terrible dreams. Not all of them were terrible, the ones I remember are terrible, but they were very lucid. So essentially I was astral, traveling. When I was young to the extent, my parents took me to the doctor because they were so real that I would wake up screaming like I couldn't sleep. My parents had to get a dream catcher in my room because I was so scared of going to sleep, because it was so real and around 16, I just stopped dreaming.
Speaker 1:So I've since had some work on that and I think I remember the dream where my soul got trapped in between and yeah, from that point I basically shut it all down and when I stopped drinking I started to become a little bit lighter, a little bit brighter again, and then I started experiencing things like sleep paralysis, visitations, literally seeing things in my room and not being able to move, and like having beings come and kiss me on the cheek and not having any way to protect myself, not knowing what what was happening. So very quickly ended up talking to psychics and mediums and be like, how do I protect myself? And so I needed to basically protect myself and learn to do that so that I didn't have these terrifying dreams again, which is now underway. But so I have this connection with divine and spirituality in the universe. I'm a very big believer of that and the magic in between. I'm also ET obsessed. If you're ever interested in going down those rabbit holes, probably another episode.
Speaker 1:I can tell you everything that's going on. But you know, in terms of that, my practice was always putting the intention out to the universe and then opening up my awareness to what would come through. So, whether it was, I'm ready. They often say when the student is ready, the teacher will appear, and that has very much been the case for me. So when I became ready, I would then put the intention out okay, I'm ready for this. And then I would just allow over the next like couple of weeks to just see which one and see what came through to me. And there would often be these wild synchronicities of things happening that I just couldn't explain, that are mind blowing even to think about how the connection works. But that's always been my relationship with the universe is I feel very supported that when I ask for something and I'm ready, it will come.
Speaker 2:That's beautiful, and so you're just trusting yourself, you're opening yourself up to what you need. Maybe you don't always know what that looks like, but you were just feeling into it yeah, I think it's.
Speaker 1:There's obviously like a an element of aligned action here. So with manifestation, there's always you don't just sit there and wait for it to come, you do the thing. So I am an avid researcher. I will go down holes to find what I'm looking for, for example, the breathwork facilitator training that I'm doing. Recently that literally came through in a meditation and I was like, okay, I meant to do this thing. That was the invitation. So I trusted that view. I don't just then sit and wait for it. I go and research and I'm like, okay, I'm going to go on to google, I'm going to research breathwork facilitators, I'm going to book in some discovery calls and see which energy suits. Or I'm going to go and ask my friends for recommendations or whatever it is. And I have a four line in human design which is all about connections and people. So a lot of my teachers come through other people and I get recommendations or synchronicities of things that come through people, that come through my partner, that come through friends. But I'm actively taking that action to source those things. Even that looks like half a day of research on google. I'm doing it.
Speaker 1:My partner the other day I'm getting this photo shoot done where we're creating video content, and the video content editor asked me what words would you use to describe yourself? And I was thinking and she was, okay, easier question, what words would your partner use to describe you? And I was like, oh god, here we go. And I was like I bet it would be like. I was thinking and she was like, okay, easier question, what words would your partner use to describe you? And I was like, oh God, here we go.
Speaker 1:And I was like I bet it would be, like I bet it would be fierce but kind. And I started listening and I was like intense, focused. So I went and asked him and I was like what word would you use to describe me? And he was just like ruthless. And I was like fuck. And I was like fuck and I was like that feels like a negative word and he was just like no, it's not a negative. Maybe ruthless is is the wrong word.
Speaker 1:You are unrelenting. You are the person that if you get something in your mind, you will make it happen. He's like, whether it's ruthlessness, whether it's unrelenting, whether it is just so focused and driven I've never met anyone like you whereas you will just go for that thing, you will get the idea and you will make it happen. Whether it's a house move, whether it's moving country, if I get the idea, I will be unrelenting and ruthless in my path in making it happen, as the same goes with when these mentors come. I get an idea and I'm like I'm not resting until I find this thing. So it's the unruthless side of me.
Speaker 2:The intensity of. I will do this now. Yeah, I feel that with you. With your whole story of you were relentless in your career in building your business. You built it the first time. It didn't work out, you took a pause and then you came back with fire.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's Sagittarius energy. I have five placements in Sagittarius, so I've got a lot of fire in my chart.
Speaker 2:It's driving me forward? Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So I want to just wrap this up and ask you, for anybody listening, if they're resonating with this passion that you're talking about and they're feeling like, okay, maybe I've been in my victim mindset, but I want to get out of it. What are some parting words that you would share with them?
Speaker 1:do some self-coaching and ask yourself what do I gain by staying in victim? What would I lose if I left this victim? And just be really honest with yourself. Hardest thing to do is self-reflection and see the honesty of the situation, and growth requires you to be radically honest with who you are and what you're currently experiencing, and the ego wants to protect that at all costs. So if you can be really honest about what you gain by being a victim or what you lose by leaving victim, then that will just give you some awareness of why you're currently attached to this way of being. But also know that victimhood is going to keep you where you are, and I want to remind you that whatever your path is, whatever you are meant to do, it is for you, and the only thing that stands in your way is you, and the only thing that stands in your way is the beliefs inside your mind, and you have the power to change those beliefs. You have the power to learn any skills that you currently feel like you don't have. You have the power to change those beliefs. You have the power to learn any skills that you currently feel like you don't have. You have the power to do anything that you wanna do. So don't allow yourself to tell yourself, don't allow your ego to come online and say I can't, we can't, you can. That's just a program. And the last thing is just remember that you are the sum of the five people that you are closest with.
Speaker 1:So if you are around a load of people that have victim mindset everyone is slamming corporate, no one's achieving anything, blah, blah, blah that doesn't mean they're bad people.
Speaker 1:That doesn't mean stop relationships, but expand your circle. Get yourself in groups of people that want to do the same things as you, that have a more positive, expansive mindset, because you will become the people you hang around with. And if you're hanging around with people that say I can't, I'm in victim, it's never going to happen for me, blah, blah, blah that will be your reality for the rest of your life, and so it's not about leaving those relationships, it's finding new ones, and especially a mentor that is 10 steps ahead of you. That's why, caitlin, being in the house, you get to consume my mindset on a lot of things, and it will shift yours. Naturally, you want to be in those containers where you have a teacher of someone that believes something that you don't, because you will pick up on that belief. So don't trap yourself in your current situation, because everything can change and the only person that will stand in your way of that change happening is you.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love that, just getting in your own way. So get radically honest, figure out how to change your beliefs, expand your circle, who you're spending time with, and find a teacher Exactly.
Speaker 1:Exactly. Sounds simple on paper, but you've got to take the action to do it.
Speaker 2:I was about to say that, and it feels difficult, right? If you haven't really sat with this stuff before, if you've been very avoidant to it and maybe you don't even realize that you've been avoidant because you're so good at avoiding it when we have so many things that can distract us from facing our truth.
Speaker 2:We can scroll on Instagram and TikTok, we can watch TV, we can drink, we can do so many things to distract ourselves when this uncomfortable feeling comes up, but what sounds like is so powerful is just sitting with it, peeling back the layers and being radically honest with yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and just know that if you're currently saying I can't about something, question where the evidence for that is Just because you don't have a skill right now, just because you have a different belief, all of that can be changed. I can't is just such a limiting way of saying something. Say in Rich Dad, poor Dad. He says, instead of saying I can't afford this, say how can I afford this. And the same goes for this. Don't say I can't, say how can I. And it may be I need to learn a skill, I need to do this, do those things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, figure out the path Exactly. I love it. Thank you so much. This has been amazing to just hear about overall your story, but also these deeper themes of how you've developed this rich inner authority, because I knew a lot of the surface level stuff when you worked at Canva you had your agency but it's so amazing to just hear about what were the layers underneath that made all of these developments possible.
Speaker 1:So thank you so much for sharing all of this.
Speaker 2:You're so welcome.
Speaker 1:You are an incredible interviewer. You're an absolute natural at this, yeah, incredible. Thank you so much, thank you so much and real quick.
Speaker 2:last thing where can people find you and connect with you?
Speaker 1:So I am at Hayley June Lloyd on everything I'm on Instagram, youtube and obviously the Hayley Lloyd Show is the podcast. We've got lots of free trainings, free resources. If you just go onto my Instagram and click the link in my bio, you can either go to my YouTube channel, download free trainings and hear more about all of this stuff.
Speaker 2:If you want to connect and build, whether it's inner or outer authority, love it. Thank you so much again, my love. I'm sure we'll be doing this again sometime.
Speaker 1:We'll dig into the ETs next time 100%. It's solely just ETs next time Pursuing your passion, just talking about extraterrestrials 100%.
Speaker 2:Just ets next time you're pursuing your passion. Just talking about extraterrestrials 100. This was so much fun, so much fun to just dive into your story and I just appreciate you so much. Thank you, haley you're so welcome.
Speaker 1:It's been so much fun. Thanks, caitlyn. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode with me and caitlyn. If you enjoyed this episode, you're going to really enjoy caitlyn's podcast, which I will link in the description below. If you are wanting to transition out of corporate into the entrepreneurial space, then Caitlin is definitely one to watch out for and follow along on her feed.
Speaker 1:I hope that you guys got a deeper insight into who I am, what my journey to here has been, and please send me a message on Instagram, tag me at Hayley June Lloyd with your insights and your story. If this resonated with you. If it it did, please make sure that you share it with your friends or someone that this could be relevant for the topics that we talk about on this podcast. I know help so many people, hundreds of people, and, yeah, it's just so exciting to be able to provide that kind of support and I love hearing about it when you guys do have a download or a drop-in or a mindset shift or whatever it is. So thank you guys so much for joining us and I'll see you guys in.