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From 1200 to 76k followers in 6 months: the real BTS of quantum leaping w/ relationship coach Mimi Watt

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Join me with an exclusive interview with a House Of Authority client, dating & relationship coach Mimi Watt.

Mimi Watt is a Dating & Relationship coach who helps people become secure within themselves and attract healthy love through healing their anxious attachment style. She does this using her signature Peacefully Attached Framework, which she has built from experience with her journey of becoming securely attached and helping dozens of clients do the same. She takes clients through this framework in her 8-week group coaching program, Peacefully Attached, launching Monday 23rd of September! 

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In this episode, we look at the REALITY of "quantum leaping" in a short period of time. We answer question such as:

-Mimi's journey into becoming a relationship coach, & how it wasn't as straight forward as you'd think
- The previous versions of her business, & how Mimi finally found her Authority
- What groundwork did you lay before the quantum leap?
- What shifted internally to do make it a reality?
- What shifted externally to make it a reality?

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Speaker 1:

Hello guys and welcome back to the podcast. I'm excited to share this episode with you guys today because I go really, really deep with a current client of mine. Mimi Watt is the dating and relationship coach who is breaking all of the molds. She helps people to become secure within themselves, attract healthy love through healing their anxious attachment styles. But the reason that I'm really interviewing Mimi today is because she is a relationship coach that is really breaking a lot of the rules when it comes to relationship coaching. She is showing what is possible for people in that non-tangible ROI space in business. She is a current client of mine inside of the house Mastermind and she is currently experiencing huge success. She's soared from around 1,200 followers to almost 80,000 followers on Instagram. She's had her highest cash month of over $15,000, including a $10,000 day. She's signing high ticket painful clients and she's recently left her full-time and part-time jobs to go all in on her business and she's moved to Bali, which is so, so, so exciting, because this is something that she really wanted to do.

Speaker 1:

But this journey isn't as straightforward as it may seem. It may look like a quantum leap on the surface, but there's a lot more that goes into this journey. Just eight months ago, life looked very, very different for Mimi, and in this episode we really go into what went on underneath the surface to create space for this kind of quantum leap. What did she shift? What did she do she do? What changed? And we really go into some of those things as the burning questions that I know a lot of other people who are aspiring to have this kind of level of jump and growth and success want to know as well. So we're going to go into all of it. We are leaving no stone unturned, and one thing that I really do want to acknowledge about meanie is her level of commitment that I 100% attribute to the results that she had when she joined the house.

Speaker 1:

She comes to every single call. She has been food poisoned on a call. She just always shows up and she's always asking for feedback. She's asking questions, and that is one of the things that allows her to learn so quickly, and it's part of the reason that she gets these results is because she's not half-assing it. She has showed up to the container, she is getting what she can from it and she is learning and evolving and taking action, and that is the thing that really can create really big results is when people show up and like, fully tune into the container. So really take that and bear that in mind as you're going through this. But to come back to Mimi, she uses her peacefully attached framework to get incredible results for her clients. If you don't know her already, you can go and find her on Instagram at Mimi Watt. She has a huge amount of experience, which starts from her own experience with going from anxious to secure in her own dating and relationship life, and she now helps dozens of her clients do the same thing. So she takes clients through this framework an eight-week group program Attached, and it's actually launching very soon. So we will leave all of the details below under this episode so you guys can check it out.

Speaker 1:

I hope that you guys enjoy the episode. Let's get into it. Hello everyone, welcome back to the podcast. Today I am going to be doing something that I haven't done in a while and I'm bringing on a very dear friend but also client, mimi. Mimi has been working with me for coming up to about six months now and her story is amazing and has so many things that people need to hear when they are in the throes of building businesses, because there's a lot of things that you can intellectualize and hear, but to actually experience really allows it to like, integrate and for you to fully understand. So I think many of you are going to be able to relate to Mimi's story and her transformation story as well. And yeah, we're going to go into it. So welcome to the podcast, mimi.

Speaker 2:

Thank you so much. I'm so excited to be here.

Speaker 1:

I'm so excited too. Ok, so take a moment to introduce yourself. Tell us what you do and the kind of people that you serve.

Speaker 2:

yes, so my name is Mimi Watts and I am a dating and relationship coach, and I work with people who have an anxious attachment style, who want to heal their anxious attachment style so that they can become secure within themselves independently, but also so that they can attract healthy, secure relationships with a partner.

Speaker 1:

I love it and this has become more and more specific over time that you've really come into this space. But I'm really curious to know what got you into coaching in the dating and relationship space, in the dating and relationship space.

Speaker 2:

So, yeah, I started my coaching journey back in 2020, I think is when it started and I started as a life coach and then, sort of long story short I started the relationship coaching, I think about 12 months ago now, when I was trying to we'll get into the story more but I had taken a break from my business and then I was coming back into it and I was trying to figure out which direction I wanted to take it in and who I wanted to serve. And a good friend of mine sort of asked me, you know she said what do you, what are you naturally really good at? What do your close friends and family always compliment you? What are you naturally really good at? What do your close friends and family always, uh, compliment you on or say you're good at?

Speaker 2:

And it kind of I realized it was around dating and relationships, around communication, around security in relationships and, um, overcoming having an anxious attachment style. Because that has been one of the biggest journeys I've gone through in my life as an adult was struggling with toxic, unhealthy relationships for years and years like from when I was probably 17, you know so for over 10 years and then realizing where that was stemming from and why that kept happening, to to have that realization and do the work to heal my anxious attachment style quite literally changed my life and, um, I think it's such an important journey to go on, because relationships are, you know, one of the cornerstones of life. It's, they're so important, um, and so when I had that realization, I said, okay, I'm just going to give this a go and see how, see how it feels.

Speaker 2:

Um, so I did, and it felt so right, it was um, you know, it was the first time I had experienced what it feels like to be truly embodied in what I'm teaching and what I'm talking about. And yeah, that's kind of how I got into the relationship space.

Speaker 1:

It's such a good way to get into something when it sounds like you followed the passion and I'm kind of trying to avoid saying follow the passion, instead following your curiosity, following the thing that makes you curious and it sounds like that's because something you were healing through became an area that you were very passionate about, and as someone that also used to have a severely anxious attachment type, I can also speak to the power of doing this. But I'm curious you spoke about you know you used to loop through toxic relationships. Can you explain a little bit more specifically how that used to impact you and what actually healing your own anxious attachment style looked like?

Speaker 2:

yeah, definitely so. It basically looked like when I would get into a relationship because I was so anxious, I was constantly attracting people with an avoidant attachment style, so people who are more emotionally unavailable, who find intimacy and closeness with the partner quite suffocating. And this pattern of you know, once you start to grow closer in your intimacy and connection, the avoidant partner would begin to pull away. And this is this classic cycle cycle. So, because I was anxious, the more I would lean in, the more my partner would pull away, and this completely consumed my life. So anytime I was in a relationship, I felt so out of control, so anxious, so ungrounded, that my whole life became about trying to control the relationship, trying to control my partner and to get them to do what I needed, and they just couldn't or wouldn't, and so it was really awful. It was like a constantly suffering. My social life always fell away. Um, you know, relationship with family also was impacted, because I think you know, when you're in a toxic relationship, there's always a part of you that knows it's not right and knows they're not good for you, but the attachment that you have is so strong that you'd rather persevere and continue staying in that relationship than acknowledge the truth, and because of that, you know, I would shy away from speaking to my family about it, because your family will always tell you the harsh truth you don't want to hear. And um, yeah, and I you know, and it always it. You know, it went to me suffering, um, like I had severe hormonal acne in one relationship from all of the stress in another one I kept getting, I kept getting sick and so, and so, yeah, just the stress it puts on your body and on your mind, um, is very strong, and so that's, yeah, that's what I was going through.

Speaker 2:

And then, when I discovered attachment styles, it was after a pretty significant breakup in 2020, and I just reached this point where I said to myself I can't do this anymore, like I cannot go through another relationship like this, and I need to figure out why this keeps happening, because amongst all of these relationships, I am the common denominator, so there's got to be something here. And it's funny because my older sister had been trying to get me to read this book called Attached, which is, you know, one of the best known books around attachment styles. She'd been trying to get me to read it for years and I just kept refusing because I think I wasn't ready. You know, I wasn't ready to face the truth. And then, after this breakup, I was finally ready and so I got this book and, hayley, I inhaled this book Like I couldn't. I couldn't read it fast enough because it was it.

Speaker 2:

Finally, everything made sense and I understood why I was the way I was in relationships, why I kept attracting the same person with a different face and, more importantly, I saw the light at the end of the tunnel. I learned that there is a way to fix this. There's a way to heal and change the course of future relationships. So I went down that journey. I started learning everything I could, I invested in coaches to help me, I did programs and yeah, and that's when the journey began back in the end of 2020, or beginning of 2021. And I can confidently say now that I am securely attached and yeah, and have changed the types of relationships I attract into my life since then.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, it's so interesting how, when the student is ready, the teacher appears in whatever format, and it just happens kind of again and again and again. But I find this topic so interesting because it's it's something that from like a logical perspective doesn't make that much sense. You know what a lot of people that haven't heard about like attachment styles, like you know your how, your own experience can then attract in someone. It almost feels like made up, it almost feels like magic.

Speaker 1:

You know, and I remember when I first was reading about this, I was just like can that really be the case? Like could I, can I actually be attracting in these kinds of partners? And you know short answer is yes, but can you explain like a little bit around what actually, from childhood perspective, can create like an anxious attachment a type, versus an avoidant attachment type? Because you know there seems to be some kind of like magnetic pull between these two you?

Speaker 1:

know, I'm the anxious attachment type. My partner was the avoidant and we both kind of come to secure together. But like is it always these two dynamics, like what happens in childhood for us to like come together like this?

Speaker 2:

yeah, it's such a good question and you know I get what you mean, how it always does seem fake because, like, how is this there, this invisible magnetic pull, yeah, yeah. So what happens is for someone who has an anxious attachment style, typically in childhood, uh, you would have, would have experienced some sort of inconsistency from your parent, parents or caregiver in their emotional and or physical availability to you. So often that looks like as a child, and there's such a wide range of things that can happen and it can be really small incidences or it can be big things. So for me personally, my parents went through a divorce when I was three years old and so that separation of, you know, my parents, the family unit that was my main source of connection and belonging, was very, extremely unsettling and I didn't know sort of what was going on. I didn't always get the emotional validation and reassurance that I needed in the way I needed it as a child. It was quite a traumatic time and you know my parents were doing the best they could and they were there for me, but it's, yeah, not having the validation and emotional reassurance that you need can really cause that anxious attachment style, um, and it can create this sense of feeling like you need to earn people's love, like you need to. Um, you can often develop people-pleasing tendencies, so you need to be the good girl, you need to do everything your parents say because you're so desperate to make sure you don't lose that love and connection with them.

Speaker 2:

And then someone who has an avoidant attachment style may have experienced sort of in a similar way, like a very unstable upbringing with their parents. Maybe their parents were really, uh, crossed a lot of their boundaries. There was no respect for boundaries. Um, they did things that developed or that broke trust with their child. And so the avoidant grows up sort of not feeling safe to get close to another person because they fear deep down that that trust is going to be broken or boundaries are going to be crossed, and so they end up feeling quite suffocated by that intimacy and they, they become very hyper independent. So they learn from a young age that they need, they can only rely on themselves. And so what ends up happening is the anxious in the avoidant attract each other so much because they both prove each other's beliefs about love to be true.

Speaker 2:

So the avoidance because they are maybe hot and cold, they're inconsistent like one minute they're all close and lovey-dovey. The next minute they're, they pull away and don't respond to your messages for like two days. And you're like what the hell is going on? And even though consciously you don't like this behavior, subconsciously your, your belief systems and your patterning tells you that oh we, we recognize this behavior. This is familiar, this is what we grew up with, so surely this must be love. And then the avoidant experiences you trying to get close because you're not getting what you need. So you keep pushing and pushing and then they're like yep, see, you're getting too close. This is all going to end like shit. This is not good. And so they push you away. And and so it's this really toxic?

Speaker 1:

um, yeah, I guess like magnetism for all the wrong reasons, but that's kind of why it happens it's so interesting because I I don't know whether it usually goes to this like extent, but when I was in my highly, highly anxious attachment type, I used to actually crave pain and I had learned to associate love with pain so much because you know whether it was not getting like the um, consistent reassurance or love from like a caregiver in some aspect, or you know, early relationships that kind of like cemented that in.

Speaker 1:

When I then got into like healthier relationships, I would then go searching for pain. You know whether it was like, yeah, I would like, before going to bed, to soothe myself to sleep, I would like imagine my partner like cheating on me or something, or I'd be like, oh, just go and have a look at like an ex-girlfriend of theirs and like make myself feel like shit and then I can soothe myself to sleep. It was so fucked up and it obviously doesn't. You know, it doesn't feel good. You end up like going into like anxious cycles. But I was so used to it that I just thought that was normal and I thought that's what love was. So when someone treated me like shit, I thought that was exciting and I'd like chase after. I'd be like that's what love is. And when I found like these more secure, stable, I thought they were boring.

Speaker 1:

I was like this is this is boring, like there's not any love, like where's the love gone? Cause it's not exciting, I'm not feeling pain and it was like this really unhealthy kind of cycle that I got into over and over and over again. Do you find that people in those anxious attachment types or even avoidant? Do you feel like there is an association with pain that comes up often? Or is that just me being weirdo?

Speaker 2:

Oh no, you are not alone in that boat. It's a very common struggle. That happens because you're essentially, when you have this anxious or avoidant attachment style, your nervous system is so wired to be in that fight or flight state, so you're attracted, you're almost addicted to this pain cycle of being hurt, being pushed away, but then wanting to like, earn back people's affection and wanting to prove yourself and prove your worth to people. So it's very, very normal and very real and I can relate to this. I guess a personal experience was my ex-partner. We were in a very healthy, secure relationship and it was the first secure relationship I'd been in right Like since healing my attachment style. And we were a few months in and things were so calm and consistent and steady that I experienced the same thing. I was like is this wait, is this really what I've been wanting my whole life? Is this it? You know, because it felt. It felt boring Underwhelming.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, underwhelming Anticlimactic. I was like what is this?

Speaker 2:

And then I found myself luckily, I caught myself wanting to create drama where there wasn't any, because I needed that heat of excitement, Like and thankfully I had, you know, the foresight to go to my partner at the time and I was honest with him and I was like I need to tell you something. I feel like I'm trying to create drama for no reason, because I'm not used to this. You know these calm waters in a relationship. And the funny thing is is that he agreed and he said that he's feeling the same thing, because he had been used to attracting emotionally unavailable women and me men, and so we were both experiencing that and it actually brought us even closer because we ended up laughing about it. And then, you know, we had the opportunity to discuss, opportunity to discuss, okay, like well, we're both feeling this way, you know, can we?

Speaker 2:

Is there things we want to do to like, spice things up in a healthy way, or maybe we can remind each other that this is actually what we've both longed for for such a long time, and can we really see that for how special it is and learn to appreciate it in a whole new way? So it is one of the more unspoken about, I would say, struggles of becoming secure is. You know, people think that once you're securely attached it's all easy breezy, and that is far from the truth. You know, like when I went into that relationship, there was a lot of healing that still needed to be done to almost like unwind my nervous system, to come to this calm place. And it it takes time, but you know, it definitely can be done and and that's what I support my clients through- yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1:

It literally took me and my partner like three years of like almost breaking up and hot and cold and on and off, so now find this really stable place. But it reminds me of this interview that Megan Fox did with Call Her Daddy, and she was talking about just this complete honesty, about craving pain and just being like why would I want a stable relationship? It's so boring and she's you know so, she's so open about it, she's she's so aware of it but she doesn't want to change it because she's just like I don't want life to feel boring and it's just.

Speaker 1:

It was just so interesting to watch that play out and you know, seeing their dynamic, it's so like it's hot, cold. It's like so enthralled with like love and passion but it's so unstable and you know they're both very honest about how they feel about that. And if you've read like megan fox's book at all where she talks about all of the things that like men have done to her in the past some of those stories are about Colson, you know, and it's just so interesting that like you can be so entrenched in that way of thinking that you're like I actually I crave this so much that I don't want to change. Like what do you do in that situation?

Speaker 2:

Oh, man, like, I mean, I guess, good on her for owning it and being aware of it. I think if that's her prerogative and that's the way she wants to live her life, then more power to her, you know, um, but yeah, it's, it's funny I, as you were saying that, I was thinking about, like you know, this intensity where you're enthralled in this relationship and it's this push and pull and this whole dramatic, like dynamic. Um, I think so much, we are taught so much of this through hollywood movies, like through the media. Growing up, I I was recently re-watching sex in the city, like the the show, not the movies and on the one hand, on the one hand, I love that show. So you know, I was like addicted, I love watching it. But on the one hand, on the one hand, I love that show. So you know, I was like addicted, I love watching it, but on the other hand, because it had been quite a few years since watching it.

Speaker 2:

I was gobsmacked and a little bit disgusted at the. The relationship between carrie bradshaw and big is so toxic and so anxious avoidant. It's not funny and I was like, oh my god, this is what we grow up thinking and believing and absorbing and thinking. You know relationships should be that way and if they're not, they're boring and it's not love a hundred percent.

Speaker 1:

It's the same with Grey's Anatomy. I remember when I was re-watching that recently because I watched it first at university and I watched like five seasons and I just didn't know that another one came out. So recently I found out there's like 18 seasons or something and I was like yeah, okay, I'm buckling in, so I'm like was re, I still haven't finished them all, actually, but um, the relationship between Dr Dreamy, you know, and what's her name, gray, is so like, so hot, cold, so fractured, so avoidant, anxious, like so unhealthy and so toxic, yet it's, you know, even in the media.

Speaker 1:

It's like revel, reveled as like this like thing to aspire for is like this level of like, hotness and steam and like just sexual chemistry that they have that everyone kind of aspires to. But actually, if you look at what's happening on a day-to-day basis, in fact any of the relationships on that show are so unhealthy and I was just like damn, this is great to watch, but this is so bad, like, in terms of like it's what they are portraying yeah, it's entertaining, but my god, it's unhealthy.

Speaker 1:

Like imagine being trapped in that cycle of, you know, consistently breaking up and, oh, getting back together with a partner. Oh god, it can't give me anxiety, just think about. Anyway. Thank you so much for sharing more about what you do, because I think it's really helpful to just understand, like your level of authority on this topic and to just really understand, like your background and, I think, why you know what. What is very clear for you is, when I talk to you about this topic, you do have a very clear level of integrated authority. You know your topic incredibly well. You have personal experience tied to it. So for me it makes a lot of sense that you know. You really have experienced this. We will say quantum growth, like in inverted commas, because it's one of those things that in order for that kind of thing to happen, you do have to have a lot of knowledge and a lot of expertise.

Speaker 1:

But I really want to talk about this kind of business should we call it glow up where, like over the past seven or eight months, you really have experienced like a huge level of growth, but it wasn't always that, and we were just talking before this about the importance of sharing where you were, you know, in your business, even before this shift happened. So could we just go back now that we know what it is that you're coaching on? Talk to us a little bit about your business journey with making this into a successful business, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2:

I would love to. So my business started, as I said, in 2020 and I started out, as you know, at home, grinding away trying to get my little business off the ground, and I started signing clients and you know it was going okay. And then I did that for about a year and then I pivoted into business coaching, which, looking back now, was very premature, and I was also, I think, quite I was quite naive at the time and I was sort of influenced by someone I was working with to go into that space, and I think this person maybe just saw potential in me and maybe knew that it would be profitable. So I was encouraged to do it and I and I you know it's like I knew nothing, but I definitely remember at the time feeling a heavy sense of imposter syndrome and, um, not feeling embodied, as we say, and not having that integrated authority around what I was teaching on. And so I was doing the business coaching for a few months on my own and then I actually ended up getting into a business partnership with another coach who was in Canada. It was actually wild. We met online and we had both worked with the same business coach at different times and, long story short, we really connected and we decided to start a business together.

Speaker 2:

So it was still in the business coaching space and it was helping people who wanted to develop coaching skills as well as launch their first program. And so we ran that together for about nine or 10 months and, you know, we were doing okay, we're making some money um, nothing huge. And then it was the beginning of 2022 when we were gearing up for a launch and we'd stopped selling for a few months. Um, cause, we were sort of trying to give value, give value and then have this, you know, supposedly big launch, and I remember I wasn't. I didn't have another job at the time, so I was completely reliant on this money for my livelihood. And we did this launch and I had, I think, like 20 sales calls and no one signed up. And I was extremely confused because I'd done plenty of sales calls in the past, I had no problem signing clients and I went to my partner at the time and we, you know, basically realized that we were no longer on the same page and, yeah, things weren't.

Speaker 2:

I won't go too much into details but we just we didn't have the same shared vision anymore and anyway it weren't. I won't go too much into details, but we just we didn't have the same shared vision anymore and anyway it wasn't working. And I think a big part of that comes down to, like I always say, the universe will always give you the lesson you need. It will kind of break you down in order to rebuild you in the way you're meant to be. And I think this is what happened, because basically no money was coming in and within a matter of weeks my entire life just did the biggest 180. So no money was coming in, so I had to move out of my apartment that I was living in in Bondi that I absolutely loved. I couldn't shop my business anymore. I got a job within the same week, I think cleaning houses, because it was the only job I could find that would start paying me the same week that I started working and I moved out of my apartment and moved in with my grandma.

Speaker 2:

And it was one of the darkest periods of my life, because my identity was so tied to my business and to this success that I wanted other people to see me. I wanted other people to see me as successful as a successful entrepreneur and working for myself, and when that was taken away, I felt like I had no worth at all and I basically had to surrender to this, this dark period, because I tried to start my business again on my own, like after my business partner and I stopped working together but I realized I had absolutely nothing to give, like my tank was so empty. And it was really scary because I remember thinking what if this passion never comes back and what am I going to do then? But I had to. Really, it was a good exercise in trusting the process and so I got a job as a receptionist. I took a break from coaching and I had to. I paid back a whole bunch of debt that I'd accrued from trying to start my business and I think it was the universe's way of just forcing me to take a step back, because the way I was trying to coach and I guess what I was coaching on was not fully embodied, it was not the path I was meant to be on and it took me a long. I was very stubborn at first but, yeah, it took me a while to surrender to that and then I also went through my relationship that I was speaking about earlier ended at the very beginning of 2023. And that, at the time, felt like the last good thing I had in my life and it was extremely painful. So it was like everything was shedded, everything was taken away, and I remember just saying to the universe, to myself, I said, all right, I completely surrender, like I am not going to push, I'm not going to try until I feel my passion come back, naturally, cause I want to do this right. If I'm going to do this again, I want to do it from the right place.

Speaker 2:

And then I remember, actually, I was sitting at work one night. I was working at a dental practice as a receptionist and I was doing the late shift and I was sitting there it was like 7.30 at night and all of a sudden, I just got this stroke of inspiration and I just felt this urge to want to share with my audience what had happened over the last year and where I'd been, because I completely stopped showing up on Instagram and I just it just poured out of me and I started sharing about what had happened. And then all of this like love and support came, you know, flooding in and it really just like, opened the floodgates, and so I, you know, thankfully it came back. And then it was just a few months after I started showing up again that the um, the idea to move into the relationship coaching space, came through. And you know, looking back like at the time, even though it was so hard to lose that relationship, I'm so grateful for that experience because had I not had that relationship, I wouldn't be again as embodied as I am today in being able to talk about, you know, the highs and the lows of secure relationships. Like it was definitely an important part of the journey.

Speaker 2:

And, yeah, I remember I knew I had this sort of resurgence of energy that I wanted to bring to the business, but at the same time, my mental, my mindset and my headspace was still pretty fragile from, you know, the blow to my confidence and ego. I guess that this 18 month period or two year period had taken, and that was around the time that I came to you to want to work with you. And it's also interesting because I remember right at the time that that breakdown was happening. I was messaging you and I was actually looking back at through my DMs earlier to see when it was, and it was like March 2022.

Speaker 2:

And I was reaching, reaching out to you and I remember so clearly being in this very desperate energy, this very desperate state, almost like clinging, like wanting to sign up to work with you, because I could see how amazing you are as a coach and I was like I just if I could just do this course, if I could just make this happen, like everything will be okay. And, of course, I couldn't find the money, it wasn't the right time. And then, two years later, was when I came back to you and I said I'm ready and I found the money and invested in your mastermind and it was the best decision I've ever made, honestly, like, yeah, I mean I can keep going, but oh my gosh, I love the transparency and thank you so much for sharing all of this, and I want to dig into maybe some of the more specific things that you were experiencing.

Speaker 1:

But I think it's really important to know because, um, people will come onto your profile now and see like a larger audience and you launching all of these things, and just think, oh my god, it's so easy for you, you've had it so easy and this is like the curse of the successful entrepreneur really.

Speaker 1:

It's like as soon as you become successful, people think it's this overnight success, but more often than not, the most successful business owners in the world have had multiple failures, and that's a really important thing to remember. Like I set up two businesses like eight years ago, both of them failed and I went back to corporate, and that's a really important thing to remember. Like I set up two businesses like eight years ago, both of them failed and I went back to corporate, and it's only been this one that, like has succeeded in a way and has just had a more consistent level of, like income coming through. But I think it's really important to normalize that these things happen. And I think what's really incredible about your story is like this level of integration, embodiment that you have with your topic has come from a complete surrendering to what was happening to you and it brings forward like the tower card in tarot, where it's like everything needed to kind of crumble down in order for you to be reborn. And when you talk about that lightning strike of inspiration that came through, you'd like cleared away enough of the, the ego, in order for that inspiration to kind of come through and to land, and I think that's a really important part to bear in mind.

Speaker 1:

When someone's building authority as well as like it's very ego to allow the ego to, it's very important and easy to allow the ego to dictate where it is you go, and I think that's previously what you did. When you move into business, I see this happen so much where people like it's going to be easier going here. But the problem is, if you're not embodied in what you're teaching, it's never going to be easier. And I think what you've experienced is like you know, you realize that you have that shift, the ego came down and you just followed the pulls which brought you to where you are and to find the topic.

Speaker 1:

So I'm kind of curious to hear a little bit more around some of like the mindsets shifts that you experienced and what you were currently navigating for, like just before we started coaching, because initially, um, you came into feminine authority manifestation, school mastermind, and then you upgraded into the house so that we can work on some more strategic things as well. So we've kind of been doing like a little bit of a balance of inner work and outer work, but the first like work that we really did together was like laying the foundation for your nervous system to feel safe with success and with visibility. So could you talk a little bit about like what you were tangibly experiencing from a mindset perspective that was kind of stopping you from showing up or going all in in your business, and what the biggest shifts were for you to actually create this like quantum leap that did seem to happen such a good question.

Speaker 2:

If I think back to that time, um, I think because I had, you know, my initial experiences of business were not, I mean, when I was doing the life coaching that sort of was embodied, but it was. I was still quite young and there was a large sense of imposter syndrome and struggling to back myself and to back the fact that I know what I'm talking about. And then, when I was extremely humbled by the universe, I just coming back into business and I knew I was wanting to step into that place of authority, I wanted to expand my audience, make more money, help more people, but I felt, like, you know, the imposter syndrome felt, like this huge mental wall in front of me and I wanted, I needed your help to uncover like where that was, where that was really coming from, like where was that insecurity and that imposter syndrome rooted? Because I had, you know, the thing about the imposter syndrome is you can have so much evidence, so much external evidence, to prove that you know what you're talking about, to prove that you've been on this journey, that you are embodied, um, but the mental side of it can be a real head fuck, if I may. Um, and so, as you just pointed out, I think one of the biggest shifts was increasing the, the safety that I could feel within my body, within my nervous system, to be able to handle that um, increase in pressure, in responsibility, responsibility in handling change. And I think I was very scared of that. I was very scared of more responsibility with more clients, because I think the underlying fear was like what if they find out I'm an imposter? What if they find out I'm a fraud, which I'm not? But that's what that voice in your head says. And so we started doing some of the deep work on this and you know the processes that you, that you took me through, that you take people through in fams, like in the inner work, is so amazing and it's.

Speaker 2:

I've done a lot of personal development work and a lot of, you know, inner healing, but these meditations, these processes, were better than anything I'd ever experienced and allowed me to go to places within myself, within my psyche, that I hadn't been able to probably access before. And I think the craziest thing, the thing that consistently blows my mind, even to this day, is like how closely linked, um you know, childhood or even teenage year experiences are with expose, uh, with you know, allowing yourself to be seen as an adult in so many different arenas, but especially in business, and you know if, now that I'm saying it, it makes sense, because if it happens in relationships, of course it's going to happen in other areas but being able to really find, yeah, where that fear was coming from and work with that part of myself to heal and to to feel safe within my body is what started to create these. You know, seemingly like this quantum jump on the external, because I think it was only like a month or two months into doing this work with you is when I sort of started to experience this quantum jump. So I guess the way I was showing up on my Instagram and the things I was talking about were even more embodied. They were even more unapologetic, more real, more raw, and they landed with people, the people I'm trying to talk to, so strongly that my audience grew huge. I mean it was. I was at about a thousand followers, or like twelve hundred followers. I mean it was. I was at about a thousand followers, or like 1200 followers, and then, after this quantum jump, my audience is now at over 75,000 people and to be able to, I think you really have to do this work, to be able to hold that, I guess, that number of yeah, eyes and attention on you and to not crumble, because there was.

Speaker 2:

There was a phase, like when that first started growing, that I was freaking out a bit. I remember talking to you being like, oh my god, well, like, what do I do with all this? What do I do? And you know you always, you're always so amazing at being so calm and so neutral and helping me to. I think what's important is helping me to normalize. This has been one of the the best things that I have learned is you know, when you sign a client or when you gain followers or when you make that money, it's like keeping that sense of neutrality and calmness so that your body almost starts to take that as the new normal and really becoming like securely attached almost in my business is kind of what you help me to do, I think yeah, it's, I've got goosebumps as you're talking through, because you know the the overlaps that I see between relationship coaching and business mindset coaching is actually like quite prevalent in that really attack, anxious or avoidant attachment types.

Speaker 1:

They typically will come into our business as well and you know.

Speaker 1:

Thank you so much for sharing all of this because I think it's really. I've had the same experience with my business. It was only when I healed very deep parts inside my nervous system that I became more of a match for more success, more visibility, whatever that looked like and this is probably, you know, the strategic stuff is is definitely important with this. You know, we can't discount that at all and I will say, like you are someone that picks up the marketing's feedback very, very quickly and, um, that's something you know, the marketing skill is a really big point of this. But when you do both things and you feel safe to be visible, to show up to, you know, as you were talking about, like, the pressure to, um, have more clients to be seen, it's not actually the fear of like, whether it's money or visibility, that people are actually scared scared of. It's what comes with those things. It's always the thing that's below those things.

Speaker 1:

And you know, I think it's always like mind-blowing to find like exactly what it is that's causing these things. Like I remember so many funny times, like on client calls with you. You know when we're doing this work and you'll come in with a problem and there's like a this moment of like, you know when I, you know when something was either reflected back or something, where it's like genuine, like shock, like your eyes widen, you're like it's literally looked like you know something had just and you're just like I've never found that connected. That you know, and it's just so you have that moment and something just unclicks and then that's where you go into and it's just so interesting how quickly everything can shift. And you know, I think we we just really don't want to discount the power of this work when it comes to these kind of quantum leaps, because safety in the body is everything. We literally dictate our results based on how we feel and so it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1:

That's why the inner and the outer authority is such necessary parts for this and I think you're such a prime example of just how you know when you really align that inner authority with believing that you're an authority and feeling like you're not an imposter and that you can show up with confidence. It allows you to. You know, show up in that way and people feel it. That's the level of conviction and I think you just have such good conviction in your post down.

Speaker 1:

People can feel it, they want to follow that so I just want to like really acknowledge you for, like, all of the work that you've been doing, because it's not easy work and it is painful sometimes and it's not comfortable to go into this stuff but, that's where you really find like the real growth of things.

Speaker 1:

So talk to us a little bit about um. So then you, we came out of the fams. While we were still doing the fams, then you came into the house as well. What were some of the things that then shifted when you came into the house, whilst you were doing both the mindset work and then the strategic work as well?

Speaker 2:

When I came into the house, that was when I felt like I'd been through a good six months, or nearly six months maybe, of working with you on that inner authority of doing the deeper work. Be of working with you on that inner authority of doing the deeper work and, um, you know, the audience grew and I felt that I was at a time then when I wanted to really, I guess, like capitalize on that. I wanted to refine some of the more tangible external elements of my business and, um, also just wanting to upskill to create the best possible experience I could for my clients. So when I came into the house, I knew that one of the first things I wanted to do was to refine even my coaching skills, which you know can be the importance of that, because the client experience is arguably the most important thing, because if clients aren't having a good experience or getting good results, then you're probably not going to get good referrals, good testimonies, testimonies Is that the word?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, we'll go with it. Testimonials.

Speaker 2:

And so anyway. So I wanted to, you know, refine my coaching skills, because I've always been in awe of the way that you coach and the way you being able to see when a client is going into that fight or flight response or that freeze response and how to help them through that so that they can experience transformation on the other side. So that was something I really valued in coming into the house and then, on top of that, learning to upgrade my program so that again it was a better experience for my clients. And then the messaging I think in my marketing of, actually one of the biggest shifts was learning the importance of speaking to high-ticket clients, and I realized that up until that point, before learning that in the house, I was always speaking to clients through my content and messaging that were more of in a victim mindset, because that was how I was taught initially.

Speaker 2:

To do copywriting was like you know, you really speak to people in their pain and I thought I was doing the right thing.

Speaker 2:

I thought I was making them feel seen and that's why they wanted to work with me. But the most important thing you taught me was needing to speak up to people and to empower them. So it's like speaking to their pain to make sure they know that you understand what they're going through, but then lifting them up and also highlighting the things that they're already doing to really speak to the client, who is proactive and not just passive and like waiting for someone to rescue them. And when I started to shift my messaging in that way, I definitely noticed a shift in the types of clients I was calling in and attracting. You know, clients who would find a way to make it work financially because they knew it was a top priority for them, clients who would show up to the calls, who were invested, who put in the work and who want to get the results. Um, so yeah, they were definitely some of the more tangible shifts I experienced coming into the house incredible.

Speaker 1:

Thank you so much for sharing, because I think it's important to also know that, like you can make money and have success from like non-tangible ROIs and like the more that I do this work, the more I actually find even more tangibility and non-tangible subjects than in things like business in reality, because there's just so many tangible things and, like one of the things that you are, everyone should go and have a look at Mimi's Instagram because she really does create very good content. Look at um Mimi's Instagram because she really does create very good content and it's it really has. I have noticed, like a big up level, um, and you have certain things that you know now will go viral, that you know you have certain recipes that are very you and I think what's starting to really happen is like you've built a very specific brand, even if you don't realize it through, like the way that you do your visuals, for the tonality with which you speak to your clients, and I think that's why you know you're finding yourself expanding in this way.

Speaker 1:

So, you know, overcoming like all of that stuff, how does it feel now to be where you are in your business today? Because the other thing that you've done is you've moved to Bali, which is like a huge you know, let's talk about that as well when?

Speaker 2:

are you now? Oh my God, 100%. So yeah, I'm coming to you live from Canggu, bali. I moved to Bali four months ago and that was, do you know, honestly, I think the work that you and I had done definitely attributed to me being able to do that. So a bit of a wild story, but I was basically decided that I was going to move to Bali about six weeks before I actually did and it happened.

Speaker 2:

You know, a few things happened in my life back home where I just sort of was at this fork in the road in my personal life and like where I wanted to live and what I was doing. And one of my really good friends just suggested to me one day she's like why don't you just go and move overseas? Like what? You can take your business anywhere, just go and have an adventure. You know, nothing's tying you down. And previously I don't think I'd ever thought of myself as someone who would go and live overseas, but I think it was just the timing of when she said it and I kind of was stewing on it.

Speaker 2:

And then I was coming to Bali, actually for a retreat. I'd already booked a holiday to come here and so I'm like okay, maybe I'll go to Bali because I'd never been here before and I will do the retreat, see if I like it and I'll come home. And you know, if I want to move there, I'll pack up my life and go. And I was saying this to my friend and she's like why don't you just not come back, like when you go to this retreat? And I was like you're crazy, like there's no way I can do that like. She's like why I'm like because you know I need to like pack up my life and sort out my things and sell my car and buy. And she just, I remember she just sat back and she looked at me. She's like, yeah, like and.

Speaker 2:

And I was so stumped I was like I need to think about this. And then I left and I'm like driving home and I was like shit, maybe she's right, you know, maybe I just make this decision and back myself and everything will just have to work out. We just have to fall into place and I think the work we had been doing to create safety in my body, to know how to create safety and also to feel very connected to myself, had a big impact and a big part in me being able to do this, because I knew that I had the tools to support myself through any discomfort, through any, I guess, emotional turmoil. I knew I could help myself through it and I think the confidence that I had developed through the work we were doing helped me to do this. So you know that, paired with the fact that I now have a business I can take anywhere in the world, and so I made the decision, and then again, like it was crazy, everything just the way it all lined up and fell into place was as if the universe like wanted me to be here, and so that's what I did.

Speaker 2:

And then, you know, even down to like the details, I was trying to sell my car because I wanted to use the money to come here and my dad, he was like you're not going to sell your car. He's like I'm just telling you, I've sold cars in my time. It's not going to happen in five weeks. And I was like, well, I disagree. I think it's going to happen because I want it to happen, because the universe wants it to.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, and then you know, down to like the week before I left, I had a lovely couple reach out to me who were interested. They came and saw the car, picked it up and paid the day before I left.

Speaker 1:

And I was like thank you universe.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, so, yeah, so, anyway, I made the move and I'm here four months later and I love it. It's been a very easy, beautiful transition and as soon as I got here it felt right, like I felt like this is where I wanted to be, um, and so it's just, you know, continuing to. As you were saying earlier, I think one of the most important things with your growth, and with business as well, is really following the feelings, like trusting those feelings, that to the outside, to other people, they might not logically make sense, like some people said to me, why the hell are you moving to Bali when you've never been there? Like that's crazy. But I think, from that integrated authority, from that inner authority I had developed, it didn't even rock me because I was like, nah, like I trust myself, I know this feels right to me, for whatever reason.

Speaker 1:

So I'm following that feeling, um, yeah you have literally become a different person and I think that's really the power of this work. And you know Joe Dispenza's Dr Joe Dispenza's book is called Breaking the Habit of being Yourself and I just really think that we cannot discount the power of how quickly we can actually become a different person, like the people that knew me in.

Speaker 1:

London, you know, seven years ago, literally say that I am a different person because I am like I literally changed at a cellular level and it feels like you have as well like you can actually take action towards things that you really want to do so much easier and the results that you see in your tangible world, whether it's huge social media growth, like you saw, you know, your highest cash months that you've ever experienced, like that happens because of the work that you do on your identity.

Speaker 1:

And you know, when you pair it with like aligned action, like you know, doing your content showing up consistently, because you have been taking a lot of that aligned action to moving to Bali, that's the aligned action, but doing the inner work allows for you to take that aligned action. So, yeah, thank you so much for sharing all of this because I think, yeah, it's just so powerful to hear your specific story around this, because I think so many people will be able to relate to where you were previously and be able to really aspire to where you are today. So, thank you so much for sharing. And, um, if there was one thing that you know you had to overcome when thinking about joining, you know the house or FAMS, mastermind, and any fears that you had, like before joining, what were some of those things? And if someone was experiencing those same fears, what would you say to them?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, good question. The biggest fear that I think I had was probably, you know, like what if it doesn't work for me? Like what if I can't do it? What if I? You know, I pay this money, I make this investment, I have the tools, but I still can't make it work.

Speaker 2:

And I think you know that was probably, looking back, a sign that I needed it more than I even realized, like because if you're having that, that lack of it's a lack of self-trust, like thinking that you can trust yourself to do the work and to get the results, and so that was probably my biggest fear, um, and I mean having you know, what was so great about talking to you about this was, again, you held such a neutral space for me to ask like probably a million questions and kind of you know, we went back and forth a few times until I felt like really ready to make that jump and yeah, like I said, it was the best thing I did, because the work that you helped me through was what strengthened that self-trust and once you develop that skill, it's like anything is possible because you develop this mental resilience and develop this capacity to.

Speaker 2:

It's like yes, even though something feels hard, even though you feel discomfort, it doesn't automatically mean you're going to fail. It doesn't automatically mean that this is the wrong thing to be doing. It's all part of the process. And I would say, if anyone's feeling that uncertainty like but if the underlying feeling is the desire to do this work and you feel like it's right for you, but then that's layered with fear, don't let the fear dictate your decision. Like trust, that feeling underneath, because it will never lead you astray, and it definitely didn't for me.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, I love that.

Speaker 1:

Thank you so much for sharing, and you know, investing is always scary at any single level, like I still experience it, like it's still always like a real inner journey. Experience it, like it's still always like a a real inner journey, um, and one that you know as business owners, we all our businesses are built on investing. You know, on that's how any wealth is generated in the world, so I love that you've shared all of that. Anyway, mimi, it has been amazing to chat to you. Thank you so much for showing up and being so vulnerable and sharing so much. Like it is just amazing to see how far you've come and the growth and the power that you have really created in your brand and in yourself and the moves that you're making, and I know that it's only going to continue to grow.

Speaker 1:

So where can everyone find you on Instagram? Give us all your handles. What are you currently working on? Do you have any programs? If someone has an anxious or avoidant attachment type, they want to go to Secure that they could work with you. Give us all the information.

Speaker 2:

Yes, thank you so much for everything you said, first and foremost, and for having me here today, and I, just before I get into that, I quickly want to share. I was looking back through our messages and I sent you a DM. I think it was in 2022, it's like two years ago, when I remember going on my walks, you know, soul searching in that dark period, and I would listen to your podcast because they gave me so much comfort and hope for the success I wanted to have in the future, and so it's a very beautiful full circle moment to be here with you on your podcast talking about the growth and success I've had. You know here two years later. So I really hope that anyone who's listening, who's going through it right now, who's finding it hard and you're not sure when it's going to be your turn and like just, I hope this gives you comfort to know that you can literally go through the biggest breakdown and bounce back from it and it's all possible as long as you just keep going and keep getting the support you need. So I just want to share that.

Speaker 2:

Um, I love that, yeah, um, but yes, you can find me on instagram. My handle is at mimi what, uh, and I am working on. I'm actually launching my signature group coaching program in September, which is Peacefully Attached. It's my signature program and it is for people who are wanting to ditch their anxiety riddled dating patterns so they can become secure within themselves and attract healthy love. So if that sounds like something you're interested in, jump over to my Instagram and send me a message.

Speaker 1:

if that sounds like something you're interested in. Jump over to my instagram and send me a message. Amazing, thank you so much, mimi. You are incredible and if anyone wants to have that secure attachment type, I cannot recommend mimi enough like the work that you do is so so, so powerful. It honestly has changed my life and I know that you are going to be destined to transform so many other people's lives, so I'm so excited to continue witnessing. You saw, if you are listening, please make sure to go and follow mimi on instagram. Send her a message. Let us know, like what you got from this episode if it resonated with you. It means the absolute world.

Speaker 2:

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Speaker 1:

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Speaker 1:

Thank you guys so much for tuning in Any parting words that you want to give Mimi.

Speaker 2:

Oh, just I don't know. If all else fails, come to Bali and have a coconut with me on the beach. I'm coming.

Speaker 1:

Thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 2:

It was such a pleasure. Thank, you. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1:

Bye guys.